Why Marry Jewish?
No, seriously? In today’s world, does it really matter? Isn’t love the most important thing? Why do people decide it’s important–or, as may be the case, not important–to marry within the tribe?
This week’s Modern Love column in the NY Times (hat tip to EV at Jewschool) examines one woman’s search for the answer to this question–but it also raises some interesting questions about how people connect to Jewish life, and how that point of connection can impact their decisions in relationships.
For instance, take Harry Goldenblatt, from “Sex and the City.” Yes, Esther’s well aware that “Sex and the City” isn’t real. (Believe me, she’s all TOO aware.) While he was more than willing to engage in a relationship with Charlotte, he said he wouldn’t marry her because he had promised his grandmother that he’d marry a Jew. Not because it would be difficult for him to observe a Jewish life with a non-Jewish woman. Not because he wanted to make sure his kids were raised Jewish. But because of the Holocaust. Over the course of the relationship, as things get more serious, Charlotte becomes more interested in Judaism than Harry is, and consequently pursues conversion, so she can become the Jewish wife he wants. But Harry’s point of connection is still the Holocaust, and a promise made to a family member. For some people, that’s a powerful enough connector. But with a little bit of education about Jewish life, perhaps at an early age within a meaningful, familial context, and the promise to marry a Jewish spouse might have been more resonant.
Similarly, the author of this Modern Love piece had little in the way of Jewish background that compelled her to understand why it might be important to her to marry a Jew. She consequently fell for non-Jews rather consistently, by the end of the history recounted in the piece (spoilers here, such as they are) marrying one and having his baby.
What do I think? I don’t think it’s up to me to tell people that they need to marry Jews. For me, it’s more comfortable, because I want a Jewish home, a common language, a shared understanding of how to live a Jewish life. For others, it may not be important–perhaps because of upbringing, or education, or personality, but perhaps undefinably so. I try not to judge.
As I said in my comment on that post, “To say that the author doesn’t understand the essence of Judaism would imply that there’s someone out there who can definitively distill that essence down to a soundbyte, which I’m not sure is possible. Obviously, I speak from a point of privilege, having benefited from (too much?) Jewish education. But each person I’ve met who’s tried to define Judaism for themselves connects differently–for some it’s Shabbat, for others it’s tikkun olam, for still others it’s the Holocaust. Some of those points of connection are certainly more solid than others. But to an extent, the solidity and resonance of a connection point depends on the seeker. Perhaps the essence of Judaism is questioning, and never feeling like you’ve found THE answer.”
Given that even in the twenty minutes since I made that comment, there’s already dissent. But that’s healthy. In fact, it’s Jewish. So let the questioning continue…
Yes, there’s issues like…what Kind of Jew do you want to marry. And how long will it take to find such a lovely, unique package? And if it takes 20 years was the wait worth it if Harry’s just a divorced accountant from Queens who’s not really into the arts, has a few funny stories, is still good with kids, but is fully capable of still boring the birds out of the trees? (He did this a lot when he dated). There’s a time and a heavy ‘lost opportunity cost’ here. How long is just too long? Just asking & wondering. Cheers & Good Luck, ‘VJ’
Esther,
I thought the conversation about that article would go in a totally different direction. It’s not that she rejected judaism without knowing anything about it (though arguably she did) no, she rejected Jewish men without even giving one a try! Would she have ended up with a different result– uh, alone, perhaps– if she had decided to stick to Jewish men?Who can say? It’s a mystery, right?
ps- I hate the New York Times on Sunday. Did you see the marriage announcement for the son of my favorite jewish actor- Richard Benjamin? He got married by a priest, of course. sigh…
The conversation about this article could go in multiple directions, of course…I invite JDA readers to take it in whatever direction they’d like…
And as for the NY Times, I just stopped subscribing; I don’t have the floor space to store it nor the time to read it…
Well, there’s the rub: it’s easy enough in America to marry a non-Jew — perhaps easier even– and for the single and mobile population, the question of “Why Jewish” becomes a more pressing issue of “Why am I still single?” For the many Jewish individuals whose identity may consist of an appreciation for Woody Allen movies and Seinfeld shtick, issues such as shared religious (or cultural) conviction may seem passe. Sadly, for every Rachel Weisz and Amanda Peet who find a nice Jewish boy, there are scores more recognized role models who don’t. Heck, even former David Schwimmer squeeze Israeli Mili Avital married a missionary’s son. So it’s not at all surprising that half of all Jews who get married do so with a non-Jewish partner. Esther notes, “I don’t think it’s up to me to tell people that they need to marry Jews.” If not you, E, then who? And if not now, then when? Reminding people to value their own family heritage and history is important– because more often than not, we don’t realize why until too late.
Re: the NYT — as a famous Jewish philosopher once said, “Print is dead.” Ok, so it was Harold Ramis’ character in Ghostbusters, but it still holds. Incidentally, when he was 22, Ramis married San Fran artist Anne Plotkin — and 20 years later, got divorced, found Buddhism and married his former assistant, Erica Mann. What’s that say about this topic? I dunno, but there’s a great recent article on Ramis in “the best magazine ever” The New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/040419fa_fact3?040419fa_fact3
Simon, you know I always value your input–but I can’t tell other people why they should personally connect to a tradition that they’re not seeking to connect to. Best I feel I can do is try to define the issue for myself, which I have in several pieces of writing lately that I haven’t posted online yet because they’re part of my book proposal, and create other ways–creative, intelligent, meaningful ways of varying sorts–to engage those people who are looking to do so…
What you wrote exactly describes my reasoning for marrying a Jewish man. I have an Italian father who was not up brought up Jewish but converted to marry my mother although I was not raised “too” strictly having a Jewish home etc is important to me.
Just recently I have been asked out by a guy who is not Jewish. I am not interested in him for reasons other than that but after consulting my mother and various other female friends. I was advised not to state religion as a reason though it is a major factor.
In that case I just said I wasn’t interested but I find it interesting that I got that advice anyhow.
That NYT article is really sad. Maybe if Lauren Fox looked beyond the Holocaust and read our whole history, she would have realized what she is leaving behind. It is hard not to feel something powerful when you read the Bible (the historical books) and see what our ancestors endured through the centuries to stay Jewish. When a person intermarries, they are saying that they do not care about our ancestors and they do not care that we are a distinct people, with a special role in the world. Chances are that her grandchildren will not be Jewish. She has failed her people and her ancestors. Sad…
In an ideal world, we would all find Jewish people worth marrying, but we can’t make ourselves be attracted to someone on the basis of religion. It’s only one aspect of a person, and if we aren’t attracted to the accompanying personality and physical person, it won’t work. And call me shallow, but claiming that it doesn’t matter what a person looks like is wrong. A wonderful person whose brains and personality are appealing, but whose physical person is not, is a friend. I have Jewish friends. We have interesting conversations, but they place no priority on physical fitness, which to me is very important.
So the answer to why not marry Jewish? We need a better balance between brain and brawn; physician, philanthropist, and physicality. The dichotomy between body and brain is false; developing one need not be to the exclusion of the other. In other words, my fellow educated Jews….go to the damn gym already!
One of the first statements said by my converting Rabbi was:
“If you’re converting because of your spouse or your husband wants a Jewish home or your husband wants to raise the kids Jewish.
This is not a valid reason accepted by Conservative or Orthodox Rabbi’s”.
This struck me as harsh, because that is a big factor in my conversion.
“Who is this Rabbi questioning my motivation.” I said to myself
Who are these people that say my rationale or standards are not acceptable.
I love my spouse and I’m making a huge step here!
Going against the grain, being talked about by my own family, the favorite gossip at family get-togthers.
“Guess what”
“Did you know”
“You can’t believe what i heard”…..
I boldy asked” What the hell does it matter?”
The response was beyond what i expected, in fact 3/4 of room (probably more like 100% or least all of the critical thinkers) was startled by his response. It changed my outlook on Judaism forever and forced me to
reevaluate my motivation for being there, I’m not ready for this.
The words ran through my head for many weeks, i debated the topic with my spouse and found they were surprised i hadn’t thought of this before. Not because my spouse is a genius or because she’s Jewish. Because it didn’t matter to her if i converted or not. She loved me for who i was,
not because i was Jewish…..
“Do it for yourself, not anyone else?!”, the Rabbi said
“If not for you…. then who….” immediately entered my mind.
That same logic Jews (post holocaust) apply when the decision process starts. That statement that begins with…. “If not now then….Then when?!”
That’s when it started, when I started to feel like a Jew. Or maybe more importantly, when i started to think like Jew.
Long story short version: I converted.
I realised being Jewish is a state of mind.
I know many Jews who have it. The critical thinking, feeling okay to ask the questions. The feeling of being in control of your thoughts, feeling safe to question yourself and answering with the truth. Not lying to yourself.
I also know many Jews who don’t have it, shutting thoughts out, because they can’t answer truthfully or are in denial about the truth.
We all know people like that, the important thing is be honest with yourself, and expect the same in your partner. Whether they are Jewish or not, is not important if you can say “I Love that person” and be honest about it.
Only good can come from that union.
I think that his answer, answers the question from above. In the Jewish faith, i believe it doesn’t matter, if you’re Jewish or not. because why worry about religion, when you already have somebody you care about.
“In other words, my fellow educated Jews….go to the damn gym already!”
there is too much cliche’s about Jews not working out. It may be different for a male or female. In terms of physicallity I can be turned on to just about any woman, provided that she is attractive and takes care of herself, but even a chubby one is a turn on. Women I think need the man to be not only handsome, but put together just so. It can take more for a spark but not in every case.
I think if you decide that you are marrying a Jew only, you do.
I think that there is a better likelihood for having a committed Jewish home if both are born Jews. It is possible w/out, just more likely.
There is alot of heritage w/ have in terms of literature both religious and secular that is lost on a non Jew, I think. But then again, you have to first love Jews, love yourself, otherwise, yes it can appear to be a pile of crap. Children also would tend to be more religious or committed when both parents are. The very act of only marrying a Jew, will have an impact on your children.
I got a random piece of hate(?) email today apparently because I said something on this thread two years ago. Here it is, though I’ve decided not to post the anonymous hate mailer’s address:
“As I did not see the article the only thing I can say is that imagine how uncomfortable the Christians, Catholics or whatever they were, felt at the wedding. I am sure they were constantly reminded the groom was a Jew. My son (who is dead to me) married a Jew years ago. I heard they have children.
Thankfully my daughter did right by marrying one of her own. So see dear it works on both sides. We don’t want our children marrying Jews, while Jewish parents rather see their children marry their own. On that we are in complete agreement!”
Yes, anonymous hate mailer. I want whatever children I may have some day (halevai) to marry Jews. But why is that so hateful to you? I love being Jewish and I want my grandchildren to be Jewish. Why is that so hard to accept? Why must it be perverted into an act of aggression against YOU? My choosing to be Jewish does not imply hatred of you, it states a love of my people. Please don’t project your own hatred onto my statements. Thank you! Stop lurking around on Jewish websites and call your son! Isn’t there enough hatred in the world already.
Rokhl, that’s strange…but not unexpected. I still get hate (and racist) mail on the other blog for expressing that I wished Zach Braff would date Jewish girls. So when it comes to blogs, nothing surprises me anymore…
this is a question i have grappled with for a long time. i am the type of person who would never date someone just because they share the same religion as me, especially if we are completely incompatible. would life be easier if i met a Jewish guy? my past experiences with Jewish guys have been mostly negative. does this mean i would rule out Jewish men altogether? of course not. but i don’t gravitate towards someone based on their religion alone. i don’t actively seek out Jews or non-Jews. i seek out someone who makes me happy and can provide a good life for me. i also would not date/marry someone who is practicing another religion. in other words, if a Jewish man isn’t in my future i’d be content with an Agnostic/Atheist who is open-minded and would be willing to incorporate some form of Judaism into our home even if they never convert. on that note, i would never push for conversion because i believe that is a personal choice and cannot be determined by anyone other than the individual in question.
religion can be a hurdle, but it is not the only hurdle in relationships. even couples that are the same religion have their issues. my Rabbi (of blessed memory) was a rare breed of an Orthodox Jew. he used to tell me that the best way to overcome hurdles is through communication, regardless of whether couples share a religion or not. he also told me i’d still be welcome in his congregation no matter who i married. that’s a huge step out of the box and is something i will always remember even though he is gone.
i often wonder why people make such a huge fuss about marrying Jewish and seem to forget about everything else in Judaism such as visiting Israel, doing mitzvot, etc. this is the problem i have…people are more concerned with who we Jews date and marry rather than if we are getting something out of Judaism be it spiritually, culturally, etc.
why do people marry Jewish? it is to please their parents and avoid the guilt trips? is it to perpetuate Jewish continuity? or is it because it’s what they feel most comfortable with even if they’re totally secular? if you asked the opposite question (why not marry Jewish?), the related questions wouldn’t be so concrete because there is no given reasoning why people intermarry. it’s mainly by chance and unintentional, and that’s something a lot of people still fail to realize no matter how much effort is put into avoiding or preventing marrying non-Jews.
there are a lot of unknowns in this world and nothing in life is guaranteed, especially when it comes to relationships. i hope to write a book someday on the topic of intermarriage, but without taking any specific side. in other words, a rational viewpoint that neither condones nor condemns it. of course, writing from that point of view may be difficult. but then again, no one ever said life was easy.
Did you ever notice that every group of ethnic nationalists says the same thing… ” I don’t hate other people, I just love my group ”
all the white nationalists say the same thing.. nation of islam says the same thing..