Esther Kustanowitz

Sometimes, I find myself wishing that I was born into a more religious community, where dating would be different, and I thought, easier. A community where there is less emphasis on romantic choice, and therefore more likelihood that I would be in a different stage of adulthood by now, raising my children in perfect faith within a community that shared my values, even if I never had the chance to challenge them through emotional inquiry.

But being super-religious isn’t all fun and games in the romance department. This story has already been circulating for a few days, but I felt the need to have it here too as part of this week’s romance roundup.

The wayward son of a powerful rabbinic family kidnaps and violently abuses
his teenage sister’s would-be suitor to prevent an affair that violates the family’s strict religious codes. The real-life tale culminated in the arrest earlier this week of the wife, daughter and son of Israel’s Sephardic chief rabbi, Shlomo Amar, and two alleged Bedouin accomplices.

The family members were suspected in the abduction and assault of a 17-year-old, ultra-Orthodox youth because they reportedly objected to his relationship with the rabbi’s 18-year-old daughter, Ayala, whom he met in an Internet chat room.

“In our society, as long as people are not married … no contact between a girl and a boy is acceptable,” [another of the family’s sons who was not involved in the abduction] said.

That’s in Israel. But here in America, on the internet juggernaut that is the Craigslist M4W board, we have seen posts from religious people seeking sexual liaisons with people outside their community and outside their marriages. Now (hat tip: Dov Bear), a prophet of old seems to have emerged, and has taken on Craigslist as his personal shonda (source of embarrassment) to be eradicated through the time-honored technique of tokhakhah (rebuke for the purpose that the miscreant should repent). Here’s an excerpt (spellings preserved, translations mine):

Aishes ish [relations with another man’s wife] causes mamzeirim [bastards] in klal yisoel [klal yisroel: the Jewish people]. Cheating on one’s wife is also ASUR [forbidden]! Imagine what you are doing to your children – to your families! Giluy Arayos [forbidden sexual relations] is yahareg v’al ya’avor [a sin you are commanded to die for rather than commit]! Arayos is one of the three cardinal sins – on par with muder and idolatry. This is the downfall of our society. Even if they are strictly amongst single people, it is terrible. Even if the ads are not real, they are still a terrible chilul [desecration of God’s name]. Even if you think nobody knows, it is still terrible. Even if you think nobody will ever find out, besides for you being wrong, it is still terrible.

You know I’m more moderate than the people who posted both the ads and this rebuke to the people who are looking for these liaisons. But I think that what they point to is the power of the Internet to reflect things about ourselves, and even in our most religious communities, that we wouldn’t cop to in real life.

Married people looking for no-strings sexual relationships with other people should be working on their marriages; maybe the two people were never suited for each other anyway and only got married because of parental/communal/social pressure. (“I can’t believe I’m 20, and haven’t met my bashert yet!”) Maybe they grew up thinking that boys were liars and girls were stupid. Or maybe the kids in question weren’t fully-cooked individuals and shouldn’t have committed to a relationship with someone else that was supposed to be forever while half-baked.

Whether or not there’s rebuke involved, the mere presence of these ads and the story about the kidnapping illustrates that life isn’t always greener on the other side of the religious spectrum, and that a more restrictive and isolated lifestyle isn’t always to be envied. Relationships are hard, and when it comes down to it, maybe the success of the relationship is really up to the two individuals who are trying to make it work.

I try to be open-minded and respectful, really I do. Occasionally, I slip into an area that’s more of a loving lampoon than an angry tirade, which is just part of being single, I think. I especially try to be open-minded to Jewish or religious ways and views which are not my own. (For instance, although I don’t choose to share her lifestyle, I linked to Nice Jewish Girl and could appreciate what she had to say. I thought it was incredibly brave for her to explore her heart’s desire in the context of her religious commitment. Others disagreed with me on the bravery front, but still…) I’d like to be that person who can get along with Jews (and in fact, non-Jews as well) of all religious stripes. It’s all good, and it’s all about love.

But today, I came across this list on FrumTeens.com, a website for religious teenagers to discuss various issues. The list (located in the “Long Skirts and ‘Platonic’ Relationships” forum of the site) is titled “71 Reasons Not to Talk to Boys.” And aside from the appalling spelling (and I mean, appalling), I’m a little frightened. I’m not saying this to ridicule the members of the list, God forbid. I just don’t understand how advocating a complete separation between the sexes until it’s courtship time can be a good thing.

Some examples (spelling and punctuation preserved)…

3) You risk getting caught by, and being thrown out of your school
Maybe because it’s not my community, but I don’t understand how talking to a boy leads to expulsion from school. In my yeshiva high school (which admittedly was co-ed), I was reprimanded for cuffing my friend Mark on the shoulder once (a rabbi saw me, and gave me a “you know you’re not supposed to touch boys” speech). But I never got the feeling that I was in any danger of expulsion.

6) You WILL NOT stay shomer negiyah [not touching the opposite sex], which is also assur [forbidden]-(a yaharog veal yaavor[a sin so grievous that you should be killed rather than transgress it])
Much discussion follows as to the exact origin of the prohibition against opposite-sex discourse, with some people disagreeing as to the character of the sin as yaharog v’al ya’avor.

7) The guy is 100% talking bad about you to his frineds in one way or another
I think this breeds a distrust of all men for all time. How do you go from being paranoid about all boys to trusting one man enough to spend your life with him? And it’s not like girls are never mean to other girls. If you can’t trust boys and you can’t trust girls, who does that leave you with?

9) Every boy is a liar, a pervert, a jerk, and you will eventually find this out
OK. I’ve got no problems with this one. I’m kidding.
I would say we can all be liars, perverts and jerks, boys and girls alike. And this one, like number 7, breeds a mistrust of all men that will undoubtedly follow the girls into their adult and married lives.

26) a guy will prob @#$% %** cus of you,, and thats like one of the wosrt averriois [sins], and im sure we get part of it
I’m guessing that missing word has something to do with self-love, but to me the concept that girls shouldn’t talk to boys because said boys might go home and think of the girls when they, ahem, you know is like saying that we should stop producing peanut butter because some people are allergic to it. OK, so it’s not a perfect analogy, but that it falls to girls to prevent adolescent boys from pleasuring themselves? Please.

And of course, there’s #34, the one that inspired my post here today:
YOU CAN NEVER NEVER NEVER TRUST A BOY
How many “never”s is that?

I’m with Maidel123, who points out:
While I agree that there are many negative elements of guys and girls talking for no particular reason it is also important not to paint the opposite gender as evil or anything of that sort. Not just because it’s not nice, but because I’m not sure I understand how, for example, a girl would make the change from thinking guys are scum etc. etc. to thinking that THE guy is the one with whom you’ll share so many things-a relationship as a couple, builders of a Jewish home, builders of a Jewish family…so while members of the opposite gender may not be APPROPRIATE they are not inherently CH”V [that’s an abbreviation for chas v’chalilah, which means God forbid] evil.

Much discussion on the boards ensues, from both boys and girls (and I suspect there are some older men and women there too, as the spelling and sentence structure is vastly improved in some of the subsequent responses).

If I were still in my yeshiva high school, as constricted as I felt there, I know that this bulletin board/forum would have been way too right-wing for me. I just hope that these girls and boys don’t grow up so scared of each other that it creates marriages that are built on foundations of mistrust and fear.

(Hat tip for the list, even though he may not like what I’ve done with it: Seraphic Secret)

If it can, JDaters Anonymous’s Paper Anniversary is today.

One year of kvetching about dating, online and off, sharing ideas and stories with others who are struggling and who have struggled in their searches for love. One year of discovering the quirks of JDate and the quirks of the people who inhabit the site: some are people who are very much like us, and others are, well, not.

I’ve learned a lot this year. Hopefully, you have too. Let’s recommit to the community we’re becoming. And to the prospect and hope of finding someone to love.

If these crazy kids can make a go of it, maybe we can too.

Happy birthday, JDaters Anonymous!!

Just wanted to welcome any new readers who might be here because of Ken Wheaton’s Metro article about bloggers who blog their dates…

Posting’s a little light this week due to Passover, but there’s lots of stuff already here, so stick around, peruse the archives and new posts will be with you shortly!

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